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[quote=""MrMacSon""]you mean argument from authority ?[/quote] I mean focusing on the source of an argument (the man) as a way to discuss the argument. That way lies ad hominem when the conclusion is negative (and, yes, argument from authority if it is positive). Both are fallaci...

[quote=""Zaphod""]Bart Ehrman[/quote] If you love ad hominem , who am I to stop you? Bart Ehrman has written several books and articles that are at least as good in their critical approach as the books written by any historians whose conclusions you like. If this one book of his ...

[quote=""fta""]There is at least one other possibility:[/quote]

That possibility is orthogonal and consistent with any of the three "trilemma" options I gave.

The fourth option would be something like Irenaeus did not exist.

Why does nobody put their finger on the fallacy running through this thread? Historians. What are they? We'd usually identify them as people trained at university in the tools (languages, textual criticism, oral history) they need to study the sources for the history they write about the subject of ...

Be careful of anachronism here. The past is a different country, etc. Clement of Alexandria would be the first one to fall to this kind of analysis. The difficulty with the hypothesis, if nothing else, is that Irenaeus is the "bishop" of Lyons. Your choice: (1) Strip the title (2) Take Ire...

[quote=""MrMacSon""]ok, Jackasses. I'm intrigued they propose Polycarp was the [primary] editor and [first] publisher of the NT ie. proposing an early-mid 2nd C NT.[/quote] According to the text of Polycarp, he also collected the letters of Ignatius. This guy was busy. That Marci...

[quote=""stephan huller""]Trobisch argues that the last line in John is not about John but the whole four gospels because they were established as one gospel set.[/quote] Relevant to this (as a counterpoint) is the so-called Western order of the first five books of the New Testam...

[quote=""stephan huller""]People don't seem to have a sense of humor around here.[/quote]

Guess I didn't know the context. My mistake. :redface:

[quote=""stephan huller""]You see what kind of jackasses he's quoting now. That's it. I won't read another Price book.[/quote]

Oh? Please do tell. At least we could learn from what Trobisch gets terribly wrong.

I don't know where the 50-50 figure comes from. It isn't my first guess. My first guess is closer to 80-20 or even 90-10, with the minority being connected primarily to history/classics departments instead of being connected primarily to religion departments, seminaries, or faith-based institutions....