The shaman's-eye view: A Yanomami verdict on us

Bullmoose Too · Post by **Bullmoose Too** » Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:30 pm

[quote=""aupmanyav""]

Bullmoose Too;7666509 wrote:By that logic humanity does not need anymore knowledge because we are in accord with nature and have existed for (more then) thousands of years.

We need it. Have we not become 'civilized'?

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I do not support the idea of "becoming civilized" because those who claim to be civilized are often far worse then the people they call barbarians.

As for knowledge itself I support a decentralized, non-hierarchical distribution of knowledge that everybody has access to and can useable ever they want. Take and use what is needed to put it simply.

Perspicuo · Post by **Perspicuo** » Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:27 pm

I think a lot of you here are missing the point entirely.

The question is not deciding whether Portugal should conquer and colonize eastern South America. They already did that 500+ years ago.

Brazilian civilization is already at their doors, in fact its all around them. Contact with Western Civ is not in question. The question is HOW.

And that is what both Abaddon and Aupmanyav have not understood (both the situation and what I have said). These people can either navigate through modern Brazil ignorant or with full knowledge of things that will enable and empower them: the Portuguese language, spoken and written; Brazilian law and beaurocratic procedures; "cultural geral" (common knowledge of the kind you get at school). These people need something like

Paulo Freire's empowering education. Help them swim, not watch them sink!

aupmanyav · Post by **aupmanyav** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 1:51 am

Perspicuo, Brazilian civilization is not their civilization.

Sorry to see IIDB/FRDB go. Don't know how many of you I will meet again and where. 8 years. Just to let you know, I am at Secular Cafe, Atheist Forum, and at Religious Education Forum also. Miss you all and till we meet again, fare well.

Aup.

abaddon · Post by **abaddon** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:39 am

[quote=""aupmanyav""]Brazilian civilization is not their civilization.[/quote]
It is not, nor should it ever be except they choose it themselves.

If a few Yanomami choose to get an education in the other culture to help their people battle for their rights as a relatively independent people and to sustain their own culture for as long as they can, then that's great.

[quote=""aupmanyav""]Sorry to see IIDB/FRDB go. Don't know how many of you I will meet again and where. 8 years. Just to let you know, I am at Secular Cafe, Atheist Forum, and at Religious Education Forum also. Miss you all and till we meet again, fare well.

Aup.[/quote]

aupmanyav, FRDB isn't going though. You can sign up at the new "FRDB" here and keep recognition of your 8 years contribution. Might as well, even if your interest in FRDB has flagged (as mine has). That way you're still "you" IF you do choose to stop by and say something.

Potoooooooo · Post by **Potoooooooo** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:49 pm

aupmanyav, it won't be the same without you

Perspicuo · Post by **Perspicuo** » Fri May 02, 2014 6:59 am

Come to Talk Freethought, Aup! You will be missed!