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Deleted · Post by **Deleted** » Wed Jun 27, 2001 8:46 pm

Originally posted by 6days:
There is no point in providing you with evidence of creation when you hold evolution so dear to your heart. The first step is to show the problems with evolutionary theories.

Objection, Your Honor. The witness has just committed the Either/Or Fallacy (closely related to the better-known False Dilemma): you suggest that there are only two possibilities available to explain the beginning of life as we know it. You assume that disproving evolution will vindicate creationism.

Someday, someone may disprove evolution. The beauty of it is that we admit we don't have all the answers, but this is the theory available evidence supports. But let's just assume, for a moment, that you (HAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh...sorry) manage to disprove evolution.

Doing so wouldn't take a single step toward proving creationism.

If you don't understand what I'm getting at, remedial lessons in logic are available upon request.

diana

Deleted · Post by **Deleted** » Wed Jun 27, 2001 8:59 pm

Originally posted by 6days:
This is a different conversation. The topic is no longer how many evolutionists I know that have broken down. It is now about how evolutionists change definitions of words to suit their purposes.

Oh yes, the topic is still about the "evolutionists" you witnessed "breaking down". We did not agree that this topic is over. I asked you to provide evidence for such a claim; you have not done so.

But shall I take it that in crying, "This conversation is OVER", you admit defeat? I think I shall. You also do not address the amusing alternative definition of your own term : "evolutionists".

Score : 6days - zero. Twice.

Deleted · Post by **Deleted** » Wed Jun 27, 2001 9:06 pm

Originally posted by Mad Kally:
What utter nonsense! Please provide proof of such a wild claim! If it happened it would most certainly be in all the Medical Journals, not to mention the news. All medical people could quit their jobs and rely on prayer alone!

My prediction was correct, you would reject it. I don't know if it is in any medical journal, I don't read any of them. I am pretty sure it was not on the news because there isn't even electricity in the village, I doubt that any news station cares for such a village. I am not trying to convince you to believe it, I am just telling you what I have seen.

Deleted · Post by **Deleted** » Wed Jun 27, 2001 9:08 pm

Originally posted by diana:
Objection, Your Honor. The witness has just committed the Either/Or Fallacy (closely related to the better-known False Dilemma): you suggest that there are only two possibilities available to explain the beginning of life as we know it. You assume that disproving evolution will vindicate creationism.

Someday, someone may disprove evolution. The beauty of it is that we admit we don't have all the answers, but this is the theory available evidence supports. But let's just assume, for a moment, that you (HAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh...sorry) manage to disprove evolution.

Doing so wouldn't take a single step toward proving creationism.

If you don't understand what I'm getting at, remedial lessons in logic are available upon request.

diana

I never said that disproving evolution proves creation. I said that it is stupid to try and prove creation to someone who believe evolution is correct. The only persons that would be open to creation are those that do not already believe in some theory of origins. Evolutionists do not fit that category.

Deleted · Post by **Deleted** » Wed Jun 27, 2001 9:13 pm

Originally posted by QueenofSwords:
Oh yes, the topic is still about the "evolutionists" you witnessed "breaking down". We did not agree that this topic is over. I asked you to provide evidence for such a claim; you have not done so.

No it is not, maybe you want to talk about that but not I. It takes only one person to end a conversation, you dont have to agree to anything. I know you are not interested because you refused to get my phone number. You say you want evidence but when given the chance to get it you backed down. You did not want to hear the truth. Now please stop with the red herrings. The fact is that you, just like the majority of evolutionists, change definitions of words to suit your own purpose.

Deleted · Post by **Deleted** » Wed Jun 27, 2001 9:16 pm

originally posted by 6days:
Well then how do you disprove a finger regenerating itself through prayer?

That's incredible! I believe you! How fast did it happen? How far down the finger was the amputation? Was the wound cauterized or did the regeneration happen so fast the blood loss was negligible? This is amazing! Did the fingernail regerate, too? Please tell me more!

And more importantly, which prayer???

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Deleted · Post by **Deleted** » Wed Jun 27, 2001 9:24 pm

originally posted by 6days:
My prediction was correct, you would reject it. I don't know if it is in any medical journal, I don't read any of them. I am pretty sure it was not on the news because there isn't even electricity in the village, I doubt that any news station cares for such a village. I am not trying to convince you to believe it, I am just telling you what I have seen.

I have a little story for you. Last week my chihuahua had diarrhea. I spent $170 at the Vet's office. My mother is a fundie. After my chihuahua had a normal bowel movement, my mother announced that she had just been in her room saying a prayer for Lenny's recovery. She then pointed at the evidence of the power of prayer. (the brown lump) I SAW IT WITH MY OWN EYES! hahahahahahaha

Deleted · Post by **Deleted** » Wed Jun 27, 2001 10:08 pm

Originally posted by 6days:
No it is not, maybe you want to talk about that but not I. It takes only one person to end a conversation.

And it takes a much better person than you, 6days, to admit that they don't have any such evidence.

I know you are not interested because you refused to get my phone number.

What a communication-free world you must live in! Use the internet. Post the names of these "evolutionists" you claim to know. Or invite them to the board. There is more to life than pressing your telephone number upon unwilling people, you know.

And I repeat : can you prove to me that you are not a telemarketer, sexual predator, or kook who would abuse me via telephone? No? If not, why would you expect me to call a stranger who might very well have caller ID?

You say you want evidence but when given the chance to get it you backed down.

The chance to get harrassed, you mean?

The fact is that you, just like the majority of evolutionists, change definitions of words to suit your own purpose.

Speaking of definitions, 6days, can you explain what your dictionary definition, "one skilled in evolutions" means? Come on, surely you're not stumped? No, I guess if you are, you'll break down again and yell, "This conversation is OVER!"

Deleted · Post by **Deleted** » Wed Jun 27, 2001 10:16 pm

Originally posted by Rhea:
Please tell me more!

Watch out, Rhea, he'll probably insist on your phoning him.

Deleted · Post by **Deleted** » Wed Jun 27, 2001 10:23 pm

Originally posted by 6days:
Well then how do you disprove a finger regenerating itself through prayer?

Lesson one, grasshopper: You are the one making an affirmative claim (fingers regenerate through incantations to a moody sky-daddy), so the burden of prove is upon you.

Asking me to disprove your assertion is similar to me asking you to disprove the existence of the invisible pink unicorn. Can you do that? Can you disprove the great IPU?

When you have successfully done so, only then will I try to disprove your tale of the finger.

...These are things that I have seen with my own eyes.

Do you have any inkling how unconvincing this argument is? Should we just take your word for it? There are some people who claim to have seen the Loch Ness monster, Big Foot, and Elvis in a 7-11: should we just accept their testimony as proof? Do you?

Kid, you need to spend more time doing your homework and less time spouting nonsense on the web.

Rick

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