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Deleted · Post by **Deleted** » Fri Mar 30, 2001 3:16 pm

Originally posted by Cat Jesus:

Actually I think Neoatheist is making it quite funny. I love it when people go on the offensive when they are wrong. If you don't back down they get really bent out of shape.

How do YOU react when someone points out YOUR errors in an unnecessarily insulting manner? Do YOU simply admit gracefully that you were wrong and not object at all to the insults?

Be that as it may, speaking as someone noted for doing quite a bit of web research (see my posts in the Church-State Separation forum, for example), I nonetheless see nothing wrong with Neoatheist's question. I suspect that the main thing Neoatheist wanted to know was something NOT likely to be found out from relevant websites, namely the significance of "All your base" to people in this forum. I suspect that Neoatheist assumed it was some sort of in-joke, as did I, except that I wasn't curious enough to bother asking.

It is obvious, even without resort to a search engine, that "All your base" is a reference to some poorly translated Japanese something-or-other. But that, in itself, does not explain the constant references to it in this forum. There are so many other items of pop culture out there that people here could refer to endlessly, if they wanted to, but don't. So why this one in particular?

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Deleted · Post by **Deleted** » Fri Mar 30, 2001 3:30 pm

I feel the urge to interject.

Neo, Cat is intentionally provoking you to get a desired response out of you. Once that response comes, he does it again but takes into account your new response. It's a psychology trick(and a very effective one), and I used to do the same exact thing to my younger sisters growing up. It could easily go on for hours, but 99% of the time the one who turns the tables in a more dynamic fashion will win. In legal circles it's called "leading the witness".

Tip: He's just playing with you, don't get put on the defensive and you can't lose.

To Cat: Lmao, sorry to fuck up your game. I enjoy leading the witness too, but he's just a kid. I haven't seen that on such a scale since I was about 13. It's a useful debating tool and definately can never be too sharp. You seem to be pretty good at it, go fry some bigger fish (there's plenty of them out there).

Deleted · Post by **Deleted** » Fri Mar 30, 2001 3:39 pm

Eagles-

I find it sad that someone has to find a way of having fun by pissing someone else off. That's a rather bizarre way of getting some laughs. I've never met a person in my life who had fun out of the mysery of others.

And what the hell does age have to do with it? You think I'm some sort of bubble gum-popping, twinkle toed, bright blue eyed, naive child? As I said above, you don't know me nor my age, so back off.

You're all crazy.

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Cat Jesus · Post by **Cat Jesus** » Fri Mar 30, 2001 3:49 pm

How do YOU react when someone points out YOUR errors in an unnecessarily insulting manner? Do YOU simply admit gracefully that you were wrong and not object at all to the insults?

Kate,
I was not insulting in my original reply. It was only when neoatheist started bitching about it and going on the offensive to cover his own inadequacies in an insulting manner that I responded in kind.

I did note in my original message that he could have used the forum's search utility. That would also have garnered some answers IRT why people were using it in this forum.

I'm surpised at you, Kate. For someone who likes to push their own ideas about how this forum is organized and as much as you have done to try and bring the level of posting down I thought you would appreciate the encouragement of utilizing seach utilities.

Eagles,
you spoiler.

Cat

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Cat Jesus · Post by **Cat Jesus** » Fri Mar 30, 2001 3:55 pm

Originally posted by Neoatheist:
Eagles-

I find it sad that someone has to find a way of having fun by pissing someone else off.

Actually I didn't try the first time, but you made it so easy. Adolescence is a bitch aint it?

That's a rather bizarre way of getting some laughs. I've never met a person in my life who had fun out of the mysery of others.

Oh it's misery now is it? Poor neoatheist is in misery now.

And what the hell does age have to do with it? You think I'm some sort of bubble gum-popping, twinkle toed, bright blue eyed, naive child? As I said above, you don't know me nor my age, so back off.
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We do know you like to whine and complain a lot, look at this post. And we know you'd rather bother others than look for yourself. We also know you prefer to attack someone that gives you a little criticism than accept it. Again, don't act like a spoiled teenager and people won't think you are one.

<----Poor widdle neoatheist.

Cat

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Deleted · Post by **Deleted** » Fri Mar 30, 2001 4:10 pm

You mean me? Yeh it is, but it's an impulse in certain people. I've been doing it to other people since I was about 5-6 years old. It's not that he's making fun of you, I think he's just sharpening his skills at it. As a young child I would play devils advocate and run this drill constantly on anyone just for the mere thrill of it. 90% of the time I didn't even agree with the position I took, and I'm not so convinced Cat agree's 100% with what he's saying either. It's a strange world. I'm not sure if it's sadistic in nature or not, I never thought of it that way.

No, I don't think you are a neive kid, adults used to do the same thing to me all the time when I was a teenager- and they usually won. You seem pretty bright to me. I don't know, I was just giving you a few tips on what was going on. It's no big thing bro. Look on the bright side your debating skills are sharper because you know how to lead the witness. No offense intended what-so-ever. I'm not trying to instigate anything.

Jiveman 1: It's nothing but a thing.

Jiveman 2: I jack the bone cuz...

Jiveman 1: Cole got the 'B'.

Jiveman 2: Lounge!!!...

I'm pretty sure I messed that up somewhere for those fluent in "Jive". That was from the movie 'Airplane' which I haven't seen in years.

...It's no big thing.

Deleted · Post by **Deleted** » Fri Mar 30, 2001 4:33 pm

Originally posted by Cat Jesus:

I was not insulting in my original reply. It was only when neoatheist started bitching about it and going on the offensive to cover his own inadequacies in an insulting manner that I responded in kind.

Neoatheist's first "bitching" reply, to which you responded with insults, was the following:

Cat-

Well I figured the people here who knew about it could as easily told me what it was all about. So sue me, damn it.

Here Neoatheist is voicing irritation and being a bit defensive, but not calling anyone names or otherwise being insulting.

Anyhow, I agree with Neoatheist here. When a particular conversation has been going on and on and on for weeks on end, in oodles of different threads, like the "All your base" in-joke, it is not reasonable to expect newcomers -- or anyone else who has not been paying attention all along -- to take the time to plough through it all. There's nothing wrong with people asking for a brief explanatory recap now and then. And a willingness to provide such brief recaps on occasion (or to write up a FAQ, if too many different people were to ask) would go a long way toward making this forum a much friendlier place.

Thus, I feel that your reply to Neoatheist's response was uncalled for.

I'm surpised at you, Kate. For someone who likes to push their own ideas about how this forum is organized and as much as you have done to try and bring the level of posting down I thought you would appreciate the encouragement of utilizing seach utilities.

Encouraging Neoatheist to use search engines was not objectionable in and of itself, although I do think Neoatheist had valid reasons not to in this case. What bothers me, mainly, is the insulting manner in which you subsequently replied to Neoatheist. I dislike unnecessary insults and rudeness even more than I dislike posting volume.

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Deleted · Post by **Deleted** » Fri Mar 30, 2001 4:38 pm

Originally posted by Neoatheist:

I find it sad that someone has to find a way of having fun by pissing someone else off. That's a rather bizarre way of getting some laughs. I've never met a person in my life who had fun out of the mysery of others.

Children in general are notorious for having "fun out of the misery of others," alas. Lucky you to have managed to bypassed this somehow. Were you home-schooled, or something?

Cat Jesus · Post by **Cat Jesus** » Fri Mar 30, 2001 4:44 pm

Originally posted by Kate Long:
Originally posted by Cat Jesus:
I dislike unnecessary insults and rudeness even more than I dislike posting volume.

You mean like asking the mods to change a forum without considering the preferences of others?

Rudeness was the point. I consider it rude to not even bother to look for an answer first and then get all irritated when simply pointed to a search engine. You'll notice I even went on to show him how to get around the 404 problem. You'll also notice that I didn't post about search engines until after his question was answered.

It was his attitude and his rudeness that prompted me to respond in kind. And now I'm dealing with your sanctimonious attitude, thank you very much.

Cat

Deleted · Post by **Deleted** » Fri Mar 30, 2001 4:48 pm

Originally posted by Eagles:

Neo, Cat is intentionally provoking you to get a desired response out of you. Once that response comes, he does it again but takes into account your new response. It's a psychology trick(and a very effective one), and I used to do the same exact thing to my younger sisters growing up. It could easily go on for hours, but 99% of the time the one who turns the tables in a more dynamic fashion will win. In legal circles it's called "leading the witness".

In online forums, what you've described is called "trolling."

Personally, however, I perceived Cat Jesus's responses not as trolling but as a sincere overreaction to what Cat perceived as laziness.